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[Monkeydog]

So you never bought an expansion pack ever in your life?

 

I mean, good DLC is basically just expansions packs but comes out quicker. GOOD DLC. Which is rare. Nintendo does it well. Releasing stuff after the fact, and still releasing a full game. You can't expect DLC to come out with the game itself. The whole concept of DLC (developing stuff after the game is released) goes against that. If DLC came out at the same time the game came out then the game would just never come out.

 

I mean there is really bad DLC that is to your point. If it exists already just give it to me for free/on disc. But DLC is not all inherently bad, and the good DLC would make no sense in what you're saying.

[Stars]

To wit:

 

There is Horse Armor.

And then there is Shivering Isles.

[Stars]

I got to stick two people (co-workers) with needles for practice today, thus doubling my experience.

Once I get good at that, I've pretty much got everything down at my new job.

 

Okay, so I was unexpectedly left by myself for the back half of my shift today. There is definitely more stuff that I need to get good at. xp

[legacyme3]

Personally, no, I have "never" purchased DLC on its own.

 

I have purchased games that had the DLC included (GotY editions) and I have purchased games that came with season passes (and thus, the DLC), but I have NEVER and never will pay for individual DLC.

 

Any DLC I have that isn't under that criteria came as a gift.

 

I don't have a problem with DLC coming out after the fact. I do have a problem with being charged extra for a service that I believe should be obligatory on the devs end. If they don't want to make free DLC, then just make a whole new game for me to buy. Once you get my 60 dollars (or on Steam's case, 20) you have gotten my one purchase for that product. I am not going to give you more money. Period.

[Vicious Parker]

I suppose I don't mind "DLC" being the new catch all term for content released after the main game, but BNW for Civ 5 could probably be considered an "expansion pack," considering all of the content added. PC games have been doing this for decades, and for the most part, I'm pretty sure it has always been welcome (assuming the expansion content was any good). People used to actually look forward to expanded content, but map packs, on disc content that only unlocks when paid for, horse armor, and day one DLC have made people cynical, and rightly so.

 

I don't blame you for not wanting to buy DLC, Leggy. But if DLC came out for a game you like, and it interested you, are you saying you would never, ever consider paying for more of what you like?

[lazlo falconi]

 

And I never will!

 

I already bought the damned game, I should be able to enjoy all the features of that game!

 

I don't mind free DLC, but having to pay extra for something after I bought the game? Blasphemy.

 

Yeah but this isn't just DLC. This isn't new civs to play as, or different clothes for leaders or anything. The DLC's in Civilization are pretty much new games built on the same engine. They fundamentally alter many of the core mechanics of the game, in addition to bringing new leaders, new terrain generation algorithms, and improved AI to keep the game from getting stale. I can't imagine a world where as soon as they released one version of Civilization they started working immediately on the next one. I like to take my time to enjoy these titles, and the expansion packs give you new features while still keeping you in the same mindset of the game.

 

You can hate on DLCs all you want, and that's completely your choice, but you're missing out on almost five years of development and refinement on the game, all of which wouldn't have happened if people weren't buying the expansions. Oh yeah, and good luck finding anyone to play Vanilla with, the game doesn't even start until you get Gods and Kings.

[legacyme3]

I don't blame you for not wanting to buy DLC, Leggy. But if DLC came out for a game you like, and it interested you, are you saying you would never, ever consider paying for more of what you like?

 

It would be a tough sell, and even as much as I love Civ V, and I do love it, I don't see the additions as being particularly worth it. It adds as Lazlo put it, new Civs and clothes, and improved AI. The new civs and stuff are things that I'd expect to be modded in by the community, and while not as high quality, it's free, which makes it infinitely better to me when it comes to things not already in the base game. The clothes are completely irrelevant to me. The AI is the big selling point for me, but even then, that's a thing I think should be in a free update, not something I pay extra for. 

 

It's like paying for a second hard mode in some games. How many people would really pay for a 2nd hard mode when they could put that money to a completely different game?

[Stars]

It adds as Lazlo put it, new Civs and clothes

That is the opposite of what he said.

 

 

 

when they could put that money to a completely different game?

He's saying that they pretty much are new games, just built on the same engine as the one you already own.

[legacyme3]

That is the opposite of what he said.

 

 

 

He's saying that they pretty much are new games, just built on the same engine as the one you already own.

 

 

But they aren't new games. At all. And without any demo to prove it, I refuse to even consider it.

 

I'm never paying for something that I think should be complimentary.

 

Call it entitled, but I value what little money I have too much to buy something that I see as more or less the same thing I already have.

 

EDIT - that's really what it boils down to. I think it should be free and it isn't. Because it isn't free, I'm not having it.

[Monkeydog]

But. It shouldn't be free. It's an addition that adds a sizable chuck of a game for a fraction of the price of a new game. There would be no reason for it to exist if people didn't pay for it. It's not worth any company to make something on that scale with that much dev time just to give it out for free.

No one is saying you have to buy DLC. But I think your reasoning for not is completely irrational, especially when it comes to something like Civilization who does DLC so well. It's not a cosmetic change, it completely revamps the game itself turning it into something new.

Side note. I didn't even know BNW was considered DLC, I thought it was an expansion pack.

[lazlo falconi]

Well, it's an expansion pack, when in an age where games are purchased digitally, they're sold the same way DLC is.

[Puffin]

Is anybody here familiar with wordpress or blogger or any of those things?

 

One of the assignments for my portfolio class is to create an online portfolio, but while our professor instructed us on what makes a good portfolio, he didn't tell us how to use said websites to create a decent profile. To say the least, I'm confused and kind of frustrated.

[lazlo falconi]

What do you need help help with?

[Stars]

It's been a while, but I have used Wordpress a bit. Same question as Lazlo.

[Puffin]

I'm just trying to create a neat and orderly portfolio where I can set up my images as fairly large thumbnails, that can be expanded for a full view of the picture. I also need a menu that can navigate to other parts of the portfolio, like my artist statement, resume, ect. I just don't really know how to do any of that.

[legacyme3]

But. It shouldn't be free. It's an addition that adds a sizable chuck of a game for a fraction of the price of a new game. There would be no reason for it to exist if people didn't pay for it. It's not worth any company to make something on that scale with that much dev time just to give it out for free.

No one is saying you have to buy DLC. But I think your reasoning for not is completely irrational, especially when it comes to something like Civilization who does DLC so well. It's not a cosmetic change, it completely revamps the game itself turning it into something new.

Side note. I didn't even know BNW was considered DLC, I thought it was an expansion pack.

 

I understand the flip side, I just don't agree with it.

 

I know that devs shouldn't feel obligated to make free DLC, and that's their decision.

 

But I won't ever buy it. Because I feel I've already purchased it. I just want to try too many different things to restrict myself to buying something to expand a world. I am already involved in immersive, expansive worlds.

 

I'm at the stage where I want to see multiple different stories, not variations or rehashes. Civ V is a great game for example. But at some point, I want to try something new, like say, Prison Architect, or Skyrim, or Papers Please. I want to experience that new world. Something COMPLETELY different from what I'm already experiencing.

 

It's counter productive for me to buy in to something I've more or less experienced, even if it is an upgrade over the vanilla game.

[kspr]

i get it, you'd rather put your money towards a whole new experience. that's why i wait for goty's and get it all at vanilla-new price. alien isolation came with a mode that plays the first movie's plot where you have to blow it out the airlock. i never would have bought that separate, but it was the same price because it was gamestop's display model.

how do you guys think the wizard felt all that time knowing he was the one behind the curtain? did the witches even know?

[legacyme3]

i get it, you'd rather put your money towards a whole new experience. that's why i wait for goty's and get it all at vanilla-new price. alien isolation came with a mode that plays the first movie's plot where you have to blow it out the airlock. i never would have bought that separate, but it was the same price because it was gamestop's display model

Yeah, pretty much this. These days, I wait for the GotY version unless it's an absolute must have game for me. I rarely buy games at launch, so it works out.

 

I just won't buy the DLC separate. I'll buy it if it is included with the full price of the game but not separately.

[kspr]

im starting a new tradition. next year on black friday, im gonna wake everyone up early, make a big pot of hot cocoa, and we'll all gather around grandma's ashes, and listen to the police scanner.

[legacyme3]

im starting a new tradition. next year on black friday, im gonna wake everyone up early, make a big pot of hot cocoa, and we'll all gather around grandma's ashes, and listen to the police scanner.

 

On the topic of Thanksgiving Traditions/Black Friday Traditions

 

Every Thanksgiving, the men weigh themselves before dinner, and then after dinner.

 

This year, I weighed 146 before dinner. I weighed 149 after dinner.

 

For extra credit, I weighed myself twice the next morning. First when I woke up (147) and then after looking at my phone for deals (145).

 

I lost a pound this year at Thanksgiving.